Whats the deal with slagging off Homeopathy?!
Question: Whats the deal with slagging off Homeopathy!?
Elaborating on a question by Ian H where he commented on my answer
###Lighting, I do care, even if I don't visit them!. They're actualy ripping a nation off, while having no real effect!.###
People who manufacture designer labels and clothing are ripping whole nations off and driving others into abject poverty with working conditions and globalisation!.
The marketing has such a powerful placebo effect that people actually feel better when wearing designer goods! How ridiculous is that!?
###The term quack in English is though to come from the german for quicksilver, quackbaulber I think it is!. This was like 400 years ago or something!.###
It actually comes from Quacksalva!. It was a poltice made from Mercury or "quicksilver" which was very harmful to those who used it!. The term quack came about because of ineffective, dangerous methods like this which killed as many people as it 'cured'!. How many people has homeopathy killed!?Www@Answer-Health@Com
###Lighting, I do care, even if I don't visit them!. They're actualy ripping a nation off, while having no real effect!.###
People who manufacture designer labels and clothing are ripping whole nations off and driving others into abject poverty with working conditions and globalisation!.
The marketing has such a powerful placebo effect that people actually feel better when wearing designer goods! How ridiculous is that!?
###The term quack in English is though to come from the german for quicksilver, quackbaulber I think it is!. This was like 400 years ago or something!.###
It actually comes from Quacksalva!. It was a poltice made from Mercury or "quicksilver" which was very harmful to those who used it!. The term quack came about because of ineffective, dangerous methods like this which killed as many people as it 'cured'!. How many people has homeopathy killed!?Www@Answer-Health@Com
Answers:
I think you're essentially asking a few different questions, but I'll try to do each!.
First off, I'm of the belief (from having watched and contemplated this for over a year) the people that are "slagging homeopathy" fall into some combination of the three following categories
a) They like to troll
b) They were brainwashed by medical school
c) They are being paid/rewarded for doing it
I'd like to make the quick distinction that I'm not applying these "slanders" to anyone that disagrees with homeopathy; lots of people think it's ridiculous or flawed and thats fine, this refers specifically to people who go out of their way to continually slag it!.
People who like to troll!.
*There are actually 2 divisions for this one!.
Some people really enjoy going on the internet and harassing and upsetting people, acting like they are tough and intimidating in real life etc!. From experience I've found most of the people that do this are wusses in real life and it's just a common coping psychological mechanism people use the internet for!.
The second is that a lot of people enjoy attacking and assualting other people (even just on an mental level), in a process which can often be analogized to an ape trying to prove it's dominance over another tribe!. It's very common for me to find people who latch onto a socially acceptable cause, and then attack/assault the opposition to fulfill an innate drive they have to attack things and/or prove dominance!. People normally like to have some socially acceptable cause backing whatever assaults they do, since otherwise it makes them look "bad," which most people get very upset about (being perceived as bad)!. One of the big problems I've had in a lot of liberal activist groups is that I run into facist people like this all the time who don't really care about fixing anything and just want to attack it!. I've seen it with environmentalists that give death threats to people driving hummers, and feminsts that just spend days doing nothing but attacking all men!.
People who were brainwashed by medical school:
One of the big biases in conventional science (especially medical school) is that there's a religious notion that they've been taught the final objective perfect truth of the world and everyone needs to know it (same way some Muslims force Islam on people)!. To some degree that comes from the nature of western science, and to some degree it comes from the fact medical schools are set up to indoctrinate students via amongst other things "cognitive dissonance" (which basically means they are conditioned to attack anything which challenges what they learned in medical school)!.
I think modern medical schools brainwashing people and taking away their ability to think critically about health (and just mindlessly push drugs for big pharma) is a big problem but that's a completely different topic!. The net result is that medical school makes people sincerely want to attack anti establishment things!.
People are paid to do it:
This is where I'm treading on slightly more difficult ground!.
I know there are groups that are paid to promote allopathy, and amongst other things they send people to places like this to attack alternative medicine!. Quackwatch is the most well known party, but it's not the only one!.
Additionally, I know of one specific instance where a medical school student was given "extra credit" for attacking alternative medical practices!. My guess is that this was not an isolated incident and plenty of people have ulterior motives!.
Or to paraphrase all of this completely differently; I can completely understanding people not trusting or believing in alternative medicine (and I don't think it's that unreasonable), but once they go out of their way to continually attack it I think something else is driving it!.
Your second question is "why are parties like homeopathy held to such higher standards than their debunkers!." For instance people complaining about homeopathy wasting people's money on 10/20 dolar treatmentments which "don't work" all the while the medical industry is sucking up people's life savings on things which definitely don't work, and often just make the person worse!.
The simplest answer would be "the system favors those with the most influence" and they can hold themselves to whatever standards they want!. All the intricacies of the medical industrial complex is a gigantic topic, but to oversimplify it, they don't really care about the wellbeing of their customers and a tremendous amount of money is spent to manufacture the public perception of them being wonderful!.
There's a really great book available called "Trust Us, We're Experts!." It details a lot of the frameworks for how this all works and it actually does it in a very factual substantiated way instead of the typical consipracy theorist drivel written on these topics!. I'd highly recommend getting the book!
I'm currently taking a course in biofeedback with a holistic health teacher who's a huge fan of evidence based medicine, and always tries to base his work off the available data (and I've for instance learned all these absurd myths most people believe about conventional medicine which are flatly contradicted by the research data which has been done on the subject)!.
Biofeedback/applied psychophysiology can be used to treat a variety of conditions, and they've all been researched to an extent!. When I was reading the standards of proof they had for efficacy (http://www!.aapb!.org/i4a/pages/index!.cfm!?!.!.!. I thought the 1-5 scale was ridiculously harsh, and what they classified as a 4 in my mind was "clearly proven to be fixable with biofeedback," (and hence should at least be a 5)!.
Yet, after discussing this at length he eventually summed up a lot of my thoughts in a few words "you do realize most drugs available in the US are about a 2 on this scale right!?"
The term evidence based medicine is brandished around a lot to support the conventional dogma, but beyond it not being the best indicator of truth, a great deal of its "evidence" doesn't even support it!.
In the Daoist school of thought I come from, there's a bias of "if you can't understand or fully perceive something, then it's a hint that there's a limit in your mind/consciousness that you need to grow beyond (which will always exist unless you become onmipotent)!."
On the other hand, western science essentially has a bias that says "if something comes up with you can't comprehend, it doesn't exist!." (which I believe comes from a lot of members of this discipline wanting to feel like they understand the universe, so they selectively filter their perception of it to overlap with that desire)!.
I think the western mentality is a bad way to go about things, but at the end of the day a lot of the arguments I see about homeopathy act this principle out repeatedly!.
Homeopathy tends to get results, but the mechanism it uses does not currently exist within science!. I've viewed that as a fascinating puzzle and tried to figure out how the scientfic rules it consistently follows (ie!. only getting spoiled by magnetic fields and not oxygen) can be put together to make a cohesive theory which works!.
Most people however just get stuck at the "mechanism does not currently exist in science" part!. My own arrogant opinion is that that's because most people who profess to be scientists aren't true ones!.
P!.s!., with the quack thing, the reason it's ironic is because it came about from people getting mercury poisoning (from things perceived to be healthy) and in turn going insane, yet at this point in time, conventional medicine zealously advocates using mercury in dental fillings and vaccines despite enormous amounts of evidence indicating this practice is extremely harmful to patients!
That book I listed details a lot of the basic propaganda structures and one very common one is to force the debate to a purely emotional level instead of using logical reasoned arguments!. By framing alternative medicine practices as "quackery" it keeps the topics from ever actually being logically discussed, and hence preventing things which are blatantly obvious from being considered true!.
Good to see you're back!. I basically quit YA for a month too b/c I was busy!. Hope you like this one!Www@Answer-Health@Com
First off, I'm of the belief (from having watched and contemplated this for over a year) the people that are "slagging homeopathy" fall into some combination of the three following categories
a) They like to troll
b) They were brainwashed by medical school
c) They are being paid/rewarded for doing it
I'd like to make the quick distinction that I'm not applying these "slanders" to anyone that disagrees with homeopathy; lots of people think it's ridiculous or flawed and thats fine, this refers specifically to people who go out of their way to continually slag it!.
People who like to troll!.
*There are actually 2 divisions for this one!.
Some people really enjoy going on the internet and harassing and upsetting people, acting like they are tough and intimidating in real life etc!. From experience I've found most of the people that do this are wusses in real life and it's just a common coping psychological mechanism people use the internet for!.
The second is that a lot of people enjoy attacking and assualting other people (even just on an mental level), in a process which can often be analogized to an ape trying to prove it's dominance over another tribe!. It's very common for me to find people who latch onto a socially acceptable cause, and then attack/assault the opposition to fulfill an innate drive they have to attack things and/or prove dominance!. People normally like to have some socially acceptable cause backing whatever assaults they do, since otherwise it makes them look "bad," which most people get very upset about (being perceived as bad)!. One of the big problems I've had in a lot of liberal activist groups is that I run into facist people like this all the time who don't really care about fixing anything and just want to attack it!. I've seen it with environmentalists that give death threats to people driving hummers, and feminsts that just spend days doing nothing but attacking all men!.
People who were brainwashed by medical school:
One of the big biases in conventional science (especially medical school) is that there's a religious notion that they've been taught the final objective perfect truth of the world and everyone needs to know it (same way some Muslims force Islam on people)!. To some degree that comes from the nature of western science, and to some degree it comes from the fact medical schools are set up to indoctrinate students via amongst other things "cognitive dissonance" (which basically means they are conditioned to attack anything which challenges what they learned in medical school)!.
I think modern medical schools brainwashing people and taking away their ability to think critically about health (and just mindlessly push drugs for big pharma) is a big problem but that's a completely different topic!. The net result is that medical school makes people sincerely want to attack anti establishment things!.
People are paid to do it:
This is where I'm treading on slightly more difficult ground!.
I know there are groups that are paid to promote allopathy, and amongst other things they send people to places like this to attack alternative medicine!. Quackwatch is the most well known party, but it's not the only one!.
Additionally, I know of one specific instance where a medical school student was given "extra credit" for attacking alternative medical practices!. My guess is that this was not an isolated incident and plenty of people have ulterior motives!.
Or to paraphrase all of this completely differently; I can completely understanding people not trusting or believing in alternative medicine (and I don't think it's that unreasonable), but once they go out of their way to continually attack it I think something else is driving it!.
Your second question is "why are parties like homeopathy held to such higher standards than their debunkers!." For instance people complaining about homeopathy wasting people's money on 10/20 dolar treatmentments which "don't work" all the while the medical industry is sucking up people's life savings on things which definitely don't work, and often just make the person worse!.
The simplest answer would be "the system favors those with the most influence" and they can hold themselves to whatever standards they want!. All the intricacies of the medical industrial complex is a gigantic topic, but to oversimplify it, they don't really care about the wellbeing of their customers and a tremendous amount of money is spent to manufacture the public perception of them being wonderful!.
There's a really great book available called "Trust Us, We're Experts!." It details a lot of the frameworks for how this all works and it actually does it in a very factual substantiated way instead of the typical consipracy theorist drivel written on these topics!. I'd highly recommend getting the book!
I'm currently taking a course in biofeedback with a holistic health teacher who's a huge fan of evidence based medicine, and always tries to base his work off the available data (and I've for instance learned all these absurd myths most people believe about conventional medicine which are flatly contradicted by the research data which has been done on the subject)!.
Biofeedback/applied psychophysiology can be used to treat a variety of conditions, and they've all been researched to an extent!. When I was reading the standards of proof they had for efficacy (http://www!.aapb!.org/i4a/pages/index!.cfm!?!.!.!. I thought the 1-5 scale was ridiculously harsh, and what they classified as a 4 in my mind was "clearly proven to be fixable with biofeedback," (and hence should at least be a 5)!.
Yet, after discussing this at length he eventually summed up a lot of my thoughts in a few words "you do realize most drugs available in the US are about a 2 on this scale right!?"
The term evidence based medicine is brandished around a lot to support the conventional dogma, but beyond it not being the best indicator of truth, a great deal of its "evidence" doesn't even support it!.
In the Daoist school of thought I come from, there's a bias of "if you can't understand or fully perceive something, then it's a hint that there's a limit in your mind/consciousness that you need to grow beyond (which will always exist unless you become onmipotent)!."
On the other hand, western science essentially has a bias that says "if something comes up with you can't comprehend, it doesn't exist!." (which I believe comes from a lot of members of this discipline wanting to feel like they understand the universe, so they selectively filter their perception of it to overlap with that desire)!.
I think the western mentality is a bad way to go about things, but at the end of the day a lot of the arguments I see about homeopathy act this principle out repeatedly!.
Homeopathy tends to get results, but the mechanism it uses does not currently exist within science!. I've viewed that as a fascinating puzzle and tried to figure out how the scientfic rules it consistently follows (ie!. only getting spoiled by magnetic fields and not oxygen) can be put together to make a cohesive theory which works!.
Most people however just get stuck at the "mechanism does not currently exist in science" part!. My own arrogant opinion is that that's because most people who profess to be scientists aren't true ones!.
P!.s!., with the quack thing, the reason it's ironic is because it came about from people getting mercury poisoning (from things perceived to be healthy) and in turn going insane, yet at this point in time, conventional medicine zealously advocates using mercury in dental fillings and vaccines despite enormous amounts of evidence indicating this practice is extremely harmful to patients!
That book I listed details a lot of the basic propaganda structures and one very common one is to force the debate to a purely emotional level instead of using logical reasoned arguments!. By framing alternative medicine practices as "quackery" it keeps the topics from ever actually being logically discussed, and hence preventing things which are blatantly obvious from being considered true!.
Good to see you're back!. I basically quit YA for a month too b/c I was busy!. Hope you like this one!Www@Answer-Health@Com
How many people have been killed by prescription medications, and complications from surgery to cure dietary related ailments!?
Modern medicine is only good at being the doorman for the pharmaceutical industry, and thus the insurance companies!. Neither of which give a crap about the health of the public!.Www@Answer-Health@Com
Modern medicine is only good at being the doorman for the pharmaceutical industry, and thus the insurance companies!. Neither of which give a crap about the health of the public!.Www@Answer-Health@Com
It's generally percieved as being on the same level as conspiracy theories, alien abduction, sightings of Elvis, phrenology, tarot, astrology, faith healing, fairies, and ghosts!.
Seriously!.!.!.!. how many parts-per-million of various herbs would you want in your water to help you recover from a car accident!?Www@Answer-Health@Com
Seriously!.!.!.!. how many parts-per-million of various herbs would you want in your water to help you recover from a car accident!?Www@Answer-Health@Com
well if you consider it a complementary treatment then you would take it along side medical treatment!.!.!.!.
!.!.!.sorry but I think that the placebo effect is apretty good thing!.!.!.!.even medical docs will sometimes give out sugar pills for this reason !Www@Answer-Health@Com
!.!.!.sorry but I think that the placebo effect is apretty good thing!.!.!.!.even medical docs will sometimes give out sugar pills for this reason !Www@Answer-Health@Com
People slag off homoeopathy, because it is a joke alternative to REAL medicine!. The only people who support homoeopathy are con-artists and cheats, not people who give a **** about their "patients"!.Www@Answer-Health@Com
My main problem with it is that it is now a multi-BILLION dollar industry!. But unlike proper medicine, homeopaths do not have to prove that their products work!. Simply saying they do is enough!.
Fine, take it if you have a cold!. But the web is full of uneducated, immoral morons promoting this stuff -which doesn't and cannot work -to people with cancer and AIDS, or as an alternative to vaccination!. It's disgusting!.Www@Answer-Health@Com
Fine, take it if you have a cold!. But the web is full of uneducated, immoral morons promoting this stuff -which doesn't and cannot work -to people with cancer and AIDS, or as an alternative to vaccination!. It's disgusting!.Www@Answer-Health@Com