Need advice please.....6 yr. old with ADHD, ODD, and possible bipolar?!


Question: My 6 yr. old daughter has been diagnosed with ADHD, ODD, and bipolar. She is currently on Strattera and Sequoel (sp?). This medication began a week ago today. She was hard to handle before and I'm the one who can control her the best, but now I'm even struggling with her. She's had this fascination with fire for the last few weeks and last night I woke to the smoke detector going off at 4 am. When I went to search where it was going off at, it was in her room. I caught her lighting papers on fire with a lighter. She said her 'imaginary robot' gave the lighter to her and told her to do that. This 'imaginary robot', she tells me, tells her to do bad things. She keeps telling me I hate her and I don't love her, but I am constantly telling her how much I love her and how proud I am of the good things she does. I try to catch her acting good and make such a huge deal of it too.


Answers: My 6 yr. old daughter has been diagnosed with ADHD, ODD, and bipolar. She is currently on Strattera and Sequoel (sp?). This medication began a week ago today. She was hard to handle before and I'm the one who can control her the best, but now I'm even struggling with her. She's had this fascination with fire for the last few weeks and last night I woke to the smoke detector going off at 4 am. When I went to search where it was going off at, it was in her room. I caught her lighting papers on fire with a lighter. She said her 'imaginary robot' gave the lighter to her and told her to do that. This 'imaginary robot', she tells me, tells her to do bad things. She keeps telling me I hate her and I don't love her, but I am constantly telling her how much I love her and how proud I am of the good things she does. I try to catch her acting good and make such a huge deal of it too.

Isn't it incredible how many stupid comments people make on here?

Anyway, I can relate to your situation. I have bipolar disorder that had a very early onset (although it took almost 20 years to get an accurate diagnosis). My son is 12 and was diagnosed with ADHD at five, although they never believed it was simply ADHD. We're still trying to figure it out what is going on with him...unfortunately it is looking more and more like bipolar disorder. It is extremely difficult to A) deal with his behavior B) figure out the best way to help him C) make the decision to try more/other medications. Dealing with a child with these kinds of problems often makes parents feel bewildered, guilty, heartbroken and isolated. But you are NOT alone!

It's disturbing to me that the therapist brushes this behavior off like it's nothing. She doesn't sound like a very skilled counselor ... I have serious doubts about her competency...any behavior that seems to put the child or others in danger should be a major red flag to any mental health practitionor.

Obviously, you aren't going to just up and commit your six year old child into an institution. It may be necessary to consider hospitalization though because of the safety factor.

My son did not do well with Seroquel (although for me it has worked very well).

If you haven't yet read them, I recommend a few books;

The Bipolar Child
The Explosive Child
1-2-3 Magic
If Your Child Is Bipolar: The Parent-To-Parent Guide to Living with and Loving a Bipolar Child

Some websites:
http://www.bpkids.org
http://www.notmykid.org
http://www.explosivekids.org/
http://www.bpchildren.com/
http://www.starfishadvocacy.org/
http://www.shutupaboutyourperfectkid.com...
http://www.aboutourkids.org/

I hope these are helpful. Good luck :-) and hang in there.

After I posted the reply, I was thinking about it & wanted to add it might be worth it to get a neurological evaluation. Ideally with a pediatric neurologist that specializes in psych problems. I haven't done this yet, but I'm seriously considering it. Report It


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  • You need to have her hospitalized ASAP. They will keep her until her medicine is stabilized. I am bi-polar, and I had to be hospitalized for the same reason - my medicine made me feel worse. They kept me until my levels were more stabilized and I was on the right amount of medicine.

    i would get her into some counseling, it sounds like she could really use it. take her to the firestation and have the firemen talk with her about fires. my mom did this with my brother and it really helped. they never played with fire again. they will give her a hat and everything and it could be good for her

    I don't believe the whole thing with kids have ADHD or ODD because kids are kids.
    They get hyper, they do crazy things! They grow out of it one day.
    It is normal for your daughter to act this way, I think she is trying to get attention and just by telling her you love her doesn't nessarly mean that is what she wants Im sure she knows you love her. Maybe a hug or spending more time with her might do the trick.
    Try playing along with her robot games instead of sitting there and saying how weird she is.

    With the whole butter knife thing however, keep up with the counceling because there is a reason behind everything. This doesnt mean your child is nuts, it means there was or is something going on to make her feel and act that way.

    I would look into taking her to a phsychologist. This sounds very serious and I apologize that you are going through so much with her. Tell you the truth that is all I can say because I have no clue what I would do!!

    I have heard stories like this maybe she is possessed Im not kidding Im very serious. try to find her some help with that.

    Im so sorry for your situation. It sounds like the medication isnt working and she needs the right mix of meds. My wife is Bi-Polar and it was a struggle for a while. Eventually, we got her off the meds completely and the psychotic tendincies stopped altoghether. Im not saying she doesnt need meds but seroquel is a heavy duty sleeping medication that can cause nightmares and hallucinations (i know because I was prescribed it)

    Honestly, it seems to me your only recourse is to commit her to an institution. I know thats hard to do as a mother. but, for your safety until you can get the right medications for her its whats best for your safety.

    I think you need immiediate help of a mental help professional. There is no way you can wait until the 28th.

    She seems to have psychotic fantasies and is paranoide, delusional and some how seems to think your at fault.

    I know this is going ot sound crazy but do you think there is a chance your house has a ghost? Alot of cases like this have been cured by exorcisms. Maybe look into a priest to look at her and pray for her and if he suspects demonic spirits are the cause you can fix that with prayer and an exorcism.

    Im so sorry for you because I know you love your child and want whats best.

    First, why is she getting drugs? If that was the doctor's first recommendation, you should get a second opinion, if not a third.

    Next, think about the diagnosis. Do you REALLY believe your daughter has all of this, or has she simply been unfairly influenced by outside sources? Has she shown this her entire life (it's fairly obvious from a very young age, around 6-8 months in my experience), or is this a recent development? That will help to determine the root cause.

    If there is an actual brain dysfunction, then no amount of counseling will solve the problem. But her response to the drugs sounds to me like an unexpected side effect, or a sign that the problem isn't a biochemical imbalance. Make sure she has a balanced diet and gets a good balance of learning, play, love, attention, discipline, relaxation, and sleep.

    Many people fail to grasp the severity of ADHD, ODD, bipolar and hyperactivity simply because they have never had to live with it. It is best that you contact your daughter's doctor immediately and explain what his occurring. In her current condition, she is a danger to your family.

    try a group home....i know it seems harsh, but they can keep a better eye on her so she won't hurt her self or others. if you don't want to do that, try a mental health facility that offers out patient community support.

    I can seriously relate to your issue. My son was diagnosed with Sensory Integration disorder. He takes adderall. He's been through so many medicines to try to find the one that works best. It's been very difficult. Sometimes I think I'm gonna freak out. He is 6 and he has 2 sisters, 17 and 9.

    I woke up about a month ago to my son telling me there was a fire in the house. He is obsessed with fire. He found the only lighter we have in the house, that we use to light candles, and caught something in the kitchen garbage can on fire. Luckily, he woke me up.

    If your mental health provider is not assisting you, you must find another one. When my son was assisted with some special services, there was a place that had crisis beds. They would take children in a crises situation and could keep them for a short time...maybe 3 days max? If you have a serious crisis on your hands, you need help. Call a mental health provider or ask the health department in your area if one of these facilities exists for you.

    You're not alone. Don't give up hope. Keep going til you find some real help.

    There really could be other underlying issues going on that you are not aware of, my daughter when she was younger she crazy glued our cats paws to the floor, and she blamed her younger sister, and she was a firebug too .
    so I totaly get and understand how you feel.
    I have been there and done that, and my daughter was diagnosed the same just not all at once.
    I firmly believe that drugs are not the answer.
    I suggest that you try the free trial of the
    TOTAL TRANSFORMATON PROGRAM.
    You have nothing to lose.
    If you need someone to talk to let me know!

    If you are genuinely concerned that your daughter presents as a real and serious threat either to herself or other people, hospitalization is your only option here. The thing to do would be to go to the emergency room of a hospital that offers psychiatric services (perhaps the hospital where the psychiatrist is on staff) and present your concerns along with a request for admission. The therapist and psychiatrist should be returning your calls or having you speak to someone taking call for them while they are off. This is a potential malpractice issue.

    Call the crisis line of they place you take your child. You need serious help before this child kills you or himself. Hearing voices is a part of bipolar disorder but I question childhood schizophrenia-did anyone in your family or husband's have these symptoms? This is a very young age for these symptoms to occur.

    Are you sure she's just struggling with bipolar. I'm concerned about the delusions and hallucinations she's having as well. Sounds like something else might be going on that's undiagnosed. Also, Serequel is a drug which is often used in cases of schizophrenia to settle down delusions and hallucinations. (the voices) So very sad to see a young girl with so many problems. Have you considered taking her to a Child Psychologist or Psychiatrist?

    Call social services.

    Until december 28th, I think you should use reverse psychology and slap her around a little bit......Don't worry.....she'll come around.......I did!!!!!!!!!!!

    I am sorry for your situation, and I completely understand. My 8 year old has the exact diagnosis, and as a mother, I can tell you that the best course of action is to put her in a hospital where they can stabilize her medication. I had to have my daughter put in one for 1 month, and while it was the longest month ever, it really helped her. They taught her better ways to deal with her anger, and they got her on medications that work for her.

    I understand that you feel like you will be letting her down, but please believe that in the end, this will probably be the best decision for her. There are so many things that trained professionals can do for your child that you cannot, and if she is lighting fires and trying to hurt herself, then you need to get her in the hospital, ASAP. It is the best option you have,m and it will help her in the end.

    Good Luck and Keep us posted.

    OMG! Are they really diagnosing children with bipolar? I cannot believe this.

    I would try switching to a new therapist and psychiatrist who care about your family more than just a weekly visit of $85-$100. Apparently her therapist is only there for the money.

    I go to a therapist and psychiatrist and both are very in tuned with what matters to me and my situation.

    The stress that your daughter is causing your family is very dangerous. Please have her hospitalized with round the clock supervision. There's seriously something wrong with her and they need to find out what it is.

    But, in the world of spirits, you'd cast the demons out of her little body and command them to leave her in the name of Jesus! She sounds demon possessed. That's what one of my family members would say. In fact, I was raised to believe that way.

    But my serious opinion, she could be having a really bad reaction to something she is ingesting, as in eating or drinking. High fructose corn syrup? Genetically engineered sugar? Does she drink sodas? Does she eat candy? I would set up an appointment with an allergist, too.

    Girlfriend try it all, and I hope you the best of luck. You are really working it hard. May you be blessed the rest of your days. You are strong!

    This is a tough one...but the first thing is not to panic...Dont go with any assumption of a diagnosis without proper testing and consideration. No need to put the little nipper on a medication that would not have a positive effect. You need a sound opinion and then a second opionion. With kids, disorders tend to mimic eachother sometimes making a sound diagnosis very difficult.

    it sounds to me that there is co-morbitity. I would say she needs to be seen by a neuro-psychologist with consideration of a working MRI or SPECT Scan. I would look up the work of Dr Amen from California...You should also look at MAYO clinic. what she is experiencing...as long as there is no significant family dysfunction or abuse issue...does not sound like an issue that can be solved in therapy. Rather, I would suggest you get therapy for yourself in how to parent a child going though difficulties such as these. Not to say that you are a bad mom, but nobody is really ready for these type of problems. Hope things work out.

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