Why is suicide wrong when the person is of sound mind?!


Question: Why is suicide wrong when the person is of sound mind?
Well simple as that.

If a person were to be of sound mind at the time but suffered from Depression, Bipolar, PTSD, or any number of things, then shouldn't they have the right to carry out the act of suicide? Say take Smith. Smith suffers from all the listed ailments and possibly some more mental illnesses. But for the last month, he has been thinking about it and he has was of sound mind for that time and really gave it more thought then the normal heat of the moment thing, shouldn't he be allowed to do it? I know people try to say, "the survivors suffer." Well I can see where that is a problem. Ok. But they should understand that he has been suffering from his problems for years and years. If he simply does not feel that he has anything left in this life, then aren't they then subjecting him to pain and punishment? Aren't they then selfish? I read a quote somewhere, “Life is like a movie, if you've sat through more than half of it and its sucked every second so far, it probably isn't gonna get great right at the end and make it all worthwhile. None should blame you for walking out early.” Now, isn't that kinda true?

So, what do you think?

Answers:

A mentally ill person is not of sound mind. If they think they are that is just part of the illness. Your premise doesn't make sense. A person with a sound mind has a survival instinct and a will to live.I would not put a moral label of "wrong" on suicide at all. It is simply a tragedy and human nature is to try and prevent tragedy.

All human life is valuable. We protect things of value. Why wouldn't we want to save a life if it is so valuable? Blame should never enter into the question at all. I will never blame someone for dying of a heart attack. But I will call 911 so they might be saved. Suicide really isn't that different.



Suicidal thoughts are a symptom of mental illness, although one may try to philosophize their feelings away as rational conclusion to a life situation, this also is just another defence mechanism and a form of denial.

This is like asking "Why is puking all the time wrong when the person is of sound health?"

It's a contradiction of terms.



Suicide is a very premant solution to temporary issues one of my friends and co-workers commitd suicide out of nowhere 2 weeks ago they found him at a hotel room he cut his veins. He has no idea the pain he has causes all his friends, co workers and specially his family. His mother was torn throwing herself over his body at his wake screaming and askin him why. I think is selfish and weak that my personal opinion tho.



I think people should have the legal right, but it isn't a good idea. There might not be any religion afterlife thing, and this might be the only go you get. WHen you walk out of a movie, you can watch a different one. Probably not so with life.



To lead an unimportant, often dissipated life.

How would you rather die?

Atop of a pile of riches, surrounded by beautiful woman, as a conqueror?

Or in a hotel room, waist deep in poverty and obscurity, in shameful drunken cowardice?



Not only is suicide wrong morally, it is also against the law. Ask Dr. Kevorkian.



I think it is wrong, very wrong for a few reasons. Their loved ones would never see it as "well he's been suffering for a long time now so I can understand that", they would be constantly consumed with guilt that they didn't recognise something or that they could of done more. Like somebody else said suicide is permanent for both the person who committs it and their family and friends, they can never get that person back ever and that is a pain unimagined. Also you should also consider when somebody committs suicide that can also cause people who were close to them to even become suicidal or severely depressed. It all has a knock on effect. Suicide changes things forever.

I can understand why some people say yes it is ok for people to committ suicide if they are in so much pain and see no way out of it but then they should think what if that was somebody in their family or their best friend, would they view suicide in the same way then? Probably not.

Suicide is not something I could or would ever do, mainly for the reason that it would kill my family and friends. I may get suicidal thoughts at times but my moods change so constantly and sometimes very rapidly that I know I would never ever want that! I'm determined to live a long and happy life even if I'm rarely happy atm.

The scary thing is I have very often heard when people plan to committ suicide and plan it a while before hand, sometimes when the time nears for them to carry it out they suddenly appear very content and at peace to those around them including their family. Their family and friends probably think they are getting better or think there is hope and then not long after they find them dead. Like I said that is an unimaginable pain for those close to them.

I also agree with others that if a persons plans a sucide they are not of sound mind. Humans like all animals have a survival instinct and committing suicide is not what people of sound mind do.



Most people in Western Civilization believe you only get one take in life. Once you die, you have died forever (not reincarnated).

Also, most people globally feel that life is a gift beyond its burdens.

The issue that I find with suicide is that life should not be assessed through any place that you currently stand, but where you are going. Life is a great mystery, and it comes with many seasons of change, seasons of promise, and seasons of dismay. If your life is clouded with nothing but dismay and anguish and you feel that your personal life is not worth saving, then you also must have no family and feel no value from any concept of altruism to others.

To give away a one-time gift of life because you cant see past yourself is something to frown upon. If you life in America or Europe and feel sorry for yourself to the point of eraticating yourself, then you've created a fantasy world. There's almost 40% of the world living and surviving off less than 2$ a day. The value of life is inherited, and should be expanded, experimented with, and cherished with a sense of urgency -- because you only have one go at it.



I think people shouldn't give up, and there's help for mental illness. I'm bipolar and have suffered with it for years. I went from doctor to doctor and i was told it's major depressive disorder, but i knew better bec i wasn't always majorly depressed. Finally found a good doctor who properly diagnosed me and put me on the right meds, after trying a few that wasn't right for me. Now i'm better than ever. The person you're writing about has a lot more to give than he thinks, many many people are suffering. If he can just find the right doctor, with treatment and therapy and a good support system, he can help many people who are in the same situation. It's not natural to committ suicide, it's just wrong.
And yes the ones that are left behind are the ones who are really going to be suffering. There are people out there that are more than willing to help and listen, just gotta find them.



I've been bipolar since I can remember so thats nearly 22 years so far. I suffer, I take meds, the illness progressed so is now worse and I know it will never go away completely. In fact it will probably get worse and worse as I grow and my doctor expects it to get to its worse at age 25 and stay that way. I still do not agree with suicide.

Have I tried it? Yes. Do i think about it still? Sometimes. Is it right? Of course not. Suicide never fixes a problem it simply creates more unanswered problems that will never be answered. Leaves more harm to family and friends too. No people should not be allowed to do it. Never.

Simply no matter what you or anyone says, if the person is thinking about suicide then they are not in "sound mind".


Very Good and True answer Osho



Its Absolutely true, take poker for instance, sometimes you just get dealt a **** hand, some people can still make something of it. The person has the right to kill themselves with no debate, who's going to take dead person to court and give them a ticket for not abiding by the law. But what the person neglects to understand when thinking about doing the deed, as they must understand this is their story, their movie, ending prematurely wouldn't make sense, become a stronger person for the struggle you endure in life , and share the story to make other people see that the easy way out isn't best idea on the table, even it may seem that way to them.



No one in the right mind would commit suicide. Once a person gets suicidal thoughts then that wouldn't be a natural thought for the brain because the brain would only be concerned with preserving and protecting the body. Any thoughts that would go against the natural way of thinking is not sound therefore since suicide is a thought that goes against the way that the brain normally functions then it is not a sound thought therefore the person is not of sound mind. That's a very strange contradiction and is actually a fallacy.



when you said of sound mind I thought your question was going to be about those that are already terminally ill and close to the end and still sound in the mind. My feelings about that are a little different than my feelings about your question.

Those people know for a fact, not a forgone conclusion based on the present and the past that the remainder of their life and death will be nothing but tremendous pain and suffering. They also know for a fact that the remainder of their life will be very short with no room for possibilities once theyve set their affairs in order and said good bye to those they love.

People with recurrent episodes of mental illness who are in periods of sound mind do not contemplate scuicide based on their past circumstances and the assumption that things will always be the same for them. They enjoy life they dislike a bad day they go about their business. If someone is contemplating suicide because of their past circumstances and projecting that onto the potential 50 or more years they have left they may not be showing any other of their symptoms but scuicidality is itself a symptom of not being in a sound mind.

An instinctual imperative is to live. Its hard wired into us. The only rational reason a person would have in a sound mind to not live to die is to decide to die is when they have to choose between dying in humiliating and excruciating pain or dying in a softer fashion with a little dignity.

Wanting to not live to prevent imagined or presumed future emotional or psychological pain is a sign a person isnt sound as they may think they are




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